Essentially a .338 Magnum with a bigger mouth, the .358 Norma can push 250-grain bullets faster. If we compare the .300 Win. So, I've hunted elk with less ambitious rounds. It is very accurate, easy to carry and fast on the target. Unlike either the .338 or .375, the .35 (.358-inch) has been a standard American caliber since 1900. By coincidence, in that same year, Norma Projektilfabrik of Sweden introduced its own heavyweight champion, the .358 Norma Magnum. None of this can be said for either the .338 Winchester Magnum or the .375 H&H. I think Jack OConnor, the great champion of the .270, would agree. is still not burning up the sales records, so maybe ahead of its time is the wrong description. But they are not essential, and despite their effectiveness, all magnums from .30 caliber upwards generate more recoil than many folks are comfortable withand are able to shoot well. If the .35 Rem. Why cant we love the .35? Now, I have to go out on a limb and say that sensible elk cartridges aren't all about power. I bought it as a moose rifle but never got drawn in ten years. Kevin Steele, Publisher of Petersen's HUNTING talks with JJ Reich of HEVI-Shot about the new offerings for 2023. To reach the .300 mark, youd need a 270-grain bullet (the North Fork and Woodleigh bullets come immediately to mind), but stabilization becomes an issue in the slower twists, and thats long been a problem in .35-caliber barrels. is a wonderful cartridge, but nobody buys them. On a 600 pound animal like a big bull elk the optimum game range of the .308 (180 grain bullet at a MV of 2610 fps) is a useful 175 yards. Winchester and Hornady both offer 200-grain loads at 2475 f.p.s. The Remington Model 600 Magnum rifle, along with the cartridge it birthed, was just such a product. Would be nice to have a 35 Wheelie, 350 Rem and a .358 Win. 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The .35's are just plain superior for CXP3 class game. Elk bullets must be tough enough to provide adequate penetration. But there is no compelling reason to consider a caliber larger than .35. Heeding the advice of American friends, Kvale worked on what would become the .358 Norma Magnum. The big case certainly made its reputation with the 250-grain bullets, as their sectional density gives excellent penetration on even the heavy-boned animals, and the .358 Norma can push them to a muzzle velocity of 2750 fps. Customer experience was, and still is, the primary focus, a key to the firms longevity and success. The classic .350 Rigby Magnum load pushes a .358-inch diameter 225-grain bullet to a muzzle velocity of 2625 fps for 3,440 ft.-lbs. My 35 Whelen will run 250gr partitions at 2700 fps with power pro 2000 powder. In the shooting sports we call that reaction recoil or "kick." I've owned several Magnum Mediums338 RUM, 340WBY, 375 H&H, 375 WBY, 358NM, 338WM. I am convinced there are better tools, and theres also that matter of mindset. Not necessarily top dollar everything. With modern powders the muzzle velocities can certainly beat those of the Cordite loads a century ago, especially in a modern rifle. from the 24" barrel of a Marlin 336XLR rifle. All Rights Reserved. It can work in close or at a distance or dazzle you with footwork. With a 200-grain bullet at 2460 f.p.s., it is a heavy-hitter on whitetails. R Rocky He, too, could have been one of the greats. Your at the old delema again: does 200 fps matter to the deer. Don't like Rugers much had my fill of them and now they are gone down the road. Mag. Three rivals: (1) .338 Winchester Magnum, (2) .358 Norma Magnum and (3) .375 H&H. My .375 H&H seemed quite adequate. The .350 Magnum has a case length of 2.742 inches, and an overall cartridge length 3.44 inches, so it will feel at home in a magnum-length receiver. Head to the range this week with American Rifleman staff as they discuss a trim little repeater from Savage Arms that comes chambered for the .22 WMR cartridge. Can Coolers | An Official Journal Of The NRA, Find More Great NRA Publications Perfect For Every Interest, Discover Everything That The NRA Has To Offer. Pet Loads and Handloader are registered trademarks of Wolfe Publishing Company. Read today's "The Armed Citizen" entry for real stories of law-abiding citizens, past and present, who used their firearms to save lives. Thier wouldn't be any action mods required to do the Whelen,just rebarrel and enjoy. The "U.S. Rifle, Caliber .30, Model of 1903," better-known as the M1903 Springfield, has become one of the most popular U.S. military small arms to collect. Kevin Steele stops by the Taurus booth to speak with Cody Osborn about the all new Raging Hunter platform from Taurus International. As unmagical as that might sound, it's one of the hardest hitting non-magnum cartridges ever. Actual weight depends on subspecies, nutrition, and age, but 600 pounds is a good starting point for grownup bulls and twice the size of an unusually large deer. The .25 Rem., .30 Rem. Shorter and more common than the magnum-length receiver needed for the .375 and .300 Holland & Holland Magnum, the Winchester Model 70s and Remington Model 721s gave a new level of performance when chambered for the new magnums. The .318 Westley Richards was a highly popular choice at that time, and it drives a 250-grain bullet of .330-inch diameter, with a SD of 0.328, and the .375 Holland & Holland uses a 300-grain bullet of nominal diameter with a SD of 0.305; both are renowned for their penetration. Is there a way to find out what year it is by serial #? bruce. The .351 WSL did grab a bit of fame, first as a popular rifle for prison guards and then as one of the rifles used to punch a lot of holes in Bonnie and Clydes automobile (although that accolade is in question). I think it would be cheeper to get another action or a magnum bolt. With a 200-grain bullet the .35 Whelen actually shoots a bit flatter than the .30-06 Sprg. Of the bullets used, several performed extremely well, including the Bear Claw and a Nosler 250-grain Partition. With cast bullets, A-5744 and Trail Boss are usually the best choices, although H-4895 is a good powder for midvelocity hunting loads. in a rimmed cartridge that would work in a lever-action rifle. Compare the Queen of the .35's, the .350 Remington Magnum--the original short (.308 length) magnum cartridge--with the new generation of short action magnums. Equal in importance is that you can hit the elk. I have long been something of a .35 caliber fan, but I have to admit that I believe the reason for the general lack of public acceptance of all but the least powerful .35's is, in a word, recoil. I'd go with the 35 whelen. All in, it weighed over 11 pounds, which is too heavy. On those gray, moody November days when I am feeling blue I take my Remington Model 141 pump-action rifle in .35 Rem. The .358 Norma Magnum is a rifle cartridge introduced in 1959 by Norma. Fusion Ammo has a 200-grain with a muzzle velocity of 2800 f.p.s. The classic .350 Rigby Magnum load pushes a .358-inch diameter 225-grain bullet to a muzzle velocity of 2625 fps for 3,440 ft.-lbs. The first time I ever hunted with a .358 Norma Magnum, it was a custom rifle built on a Mauser Mark X action. From the .35 Winchester (1903), .35 Remington (1906) and .351 Winchester Self-Loading (1907) to the later .358 Winchester (1955) and .350 Remington Magnum (1965), there has always been at least one .35-caliber cartridge in use. I wont go so far as to say thats foolish, but theres a major difference in size and toughness between a cow or spike and a mature bull. They include both the AccuBond and the Partition 225-grain bullets with a muzzle velocity of 2800 f.p.s. I shot my first bull elk in Montanas Pioneer Mountains on a snowy Thanksgiving in 1972. The long accepted story was that James V. Howe developed the cartridge in 1922 and named it in honor of his friend, gunwriter Col. Townsend Whelen. Tried and true. The .35 Rem. Twenty years ago, I might have said .338 Winchester Magnum was the perfect choice for elk. Rifle Recoil Table. Shortening the 2.85-inches long .375 H&H case wasnt exactly a revolutionary ideathat little-known .275 H&H so closely resembles the design of the half-century younger 7mm Remington Magnum that its uncannybut with the Winchester marketing machine the concept was brought to the forefront. In a letter written to friend Townsend Whelen during early 1920s, Leslie Simpson-- one of the first Americans to become a professional hunter in Africa--opined that the hunting world needed a .35 caliber cartridge . The rivalry between the .338-inch and .358-inch bore diameters has a considerable history; both topped out at 300 grains (at one point in time in history), and both have a lower end of 180 grains. Being able to take off the scope and work with iron sights, using cast bullets or light jacketed bullets, adds an entirely new dimension to the rifle. They can take their time and pick their shots. We owe a debt of gratitude to the engineers at the British firm of Holland & Holland; though it is lost to history who exactly designed the belted magnum cartridge, the .275 and .375 Holland & Holland Magnums were game changers. Maybe I'll just get a 375 H+H instead of going the Norma route. Mag. was simply a .308 Win. Everybody agrees that the .358 Win. . The .270 WSM and .270 Weatherby deliver more energy, but all three are fine. Layne Simpson did an article on the comparison of the two and it was reprinted in Big Bore Rifles and Cartridge ISBN 1-879356-00-7. However, the majority of American deer hunters dont live in elk country, but many dream of going elk hunting. There are several reasons. This standard (.30-06) length magnum cartridge drives a 250 grain bullet at a muzzle velocity (MV) of 2799 fps with 4350 ft. lbs. i have a 35 whelen and love it. Today the .35 caliber family, at least in North America, includes the .357 Magnum, .35 Remington, .356 Winchester, .358 Winchester, .35 Whelen, .350 Remington Magnum and .358 Norma Magnum. I have needed to reach 400 yards, but never a whole bunch farther. Just have it rebarreled to 9.3X62, and you will have a 358 Norma with five in the magazine! Around eight pounds set to go is a good compromise. An earlier Western Cartridge load delivered 2,660 fps, which I suspect is closer to the truth. Perhaps thats how it should be, the masses rarely embrace true greatness. But in my experience, if you can cover that 300-yard window with confidence youre in good shape. Id mate it with a good 180-grain bullet, top it with a one-inch-tube scope (to save weight), and go elk hunting. As a "stopper" for use on dangerous game the .358 Norma is clearly superior to the .300 Magnums. There is certainly no lack of .358-inch diameter bullets to choose from but brass is limited. For example, take the most powerful of the factory standardized .35's, the .358 Norma Magnum. Mag.-all with a bigger, heavier bullet that will punch a bigger hole and penetrate deeper. It was predictable that the .356 Win. And Barnes makes a 200-grain TSX bullet designed for this cartridge that, when handloaded to 2850 f.p.s., allows the .350 Rem. Shaw rifle's 24-inch barrel.. Common loads fire a 200-grain bullet at 2,800 fps (about 3,480 foot pounds of energy), a 225-grain bullet at around 2,600fps (3,380 foot pounds of energy . And the hunter must have full confidence in his or her choice. To get started, click the link below to visit mymagnow.com and learn how to access your digital magazine. This new model featured two new cartridges, the .350 Rem. into the deer woods, and I pine for what could have been. Norma Projektilfabrik answered Winchesters designs with a pair of their own: the .308 Norma Magnum and its slightly older brother, the .358 Norma Magnum. Re: 35 whelen vs 358 norma mag vs 9.3 x 62, Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. So when it comes to penetrating thick hide and heavy bone, one could see where the .350 Rigby could benefit from a heavier bullet, say a premium 250-grain with a SD of .279. In its 112-year lineage, it has probably taken more elk than all other cartridges combined. .500 Nitro Express. They will also slap down lighter game like deer, feral hogs and black bear with authority, of course. zero-we see that contrary to popular belief, a 35-caliber can be a long-range cartridge.
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